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As the original write up on the rumoured retail price of LG’s upcoming Nexus 4 smartphone has caused quite a stir, allow me to realign the ship, especially since the write-up opened up avenues for misinterpretation.
But first: an apology. To all readers and commentors who saw my opinion piece as a shameless pro-LG editorial, I offer you my apologies for not making my points clearer. I was not writing on behalf of LG Malaysia, nor am I an LG fanboy. The leaked pricing caused quite a stir here in the original write-up, and I offered my opinion on the matter.
However, in my humble opinion, even at a rumoured retail price of RM1799 (although, it appears the seller we quoted in our forums has now confirmed the price in his sales thread) I still find it a good deal, and I shall clarify my points from yesterday’s post after the break.
On Google’s Business Model
Back when Google’s Nexus 7 tablet was launched, it was later made known that Google was selling the tablet at cost price. Andy Rubin, Senior Vice President of Mobile and Digital Content at Google, stated that “when (the Nexus 7) gets sold through the Play store, there’s no margin,” Rubin said. “It just basically gets (sold) through.” Because Google is not a hardware manufacturing company, it can offset the potential profits it can derive from the sale of the tablet, as Quo Circa analyst Rob Bamforth opined, by allowing more people to “defect to Android and using Google’s Play Store”.
(Image credit: Know Your Mobile)
Whether Google has the same agreement with LG is not known, nor did I mention that Google were selling the Nexus 4 at cost price. It may be, however, that Google may be subsidizing the price of the Nexus 4 sold on the Play Store. As pointed out from various sources yesterday (CNET included) many countries are also not happy with the retail pricing of the Nexus 4, compared to the price it was going for at the Play Store. This then gives rise to the suggestion that there may be two different prices for the Nexus 4 smartphone, instead of just the one from the Play Store.
One reader pointed out that it costs roughly $199 to manufacture an iPhone 5, and thus by conjecture, the $349 price for the Nexus 4 on the Play Store should mean that LG and/or Google are pocketing some form of profit. If, for example, the Nexus strategy is to produce competitive products at low prices, manufacturing partners (in this case, LG) will not have a high enough profit margin for its operations. With the Nexus 7, ASUS and Google left out components like a rear camera to drive the costs down as low as possible. However the Nexus 4 is a flagship device, and one of the most impressively specced in the market at that. LG cannot survive on the low margins (if any – I’m merely speculating here) that each Nexus 4 sold at the Play Store would provide. That’s why it costs $199 to manufacture an iPhone, and yet it retails for $649.
On International Price Comparison
Another reader pointed out that I should not have compared the international and local retail price for the Nexus 4 dollar-to-dollar; he/she was right. I over-simplified this part of the piece yesterday. What I meant was this:
Many of us here are comparing the US Play Store price for the Nexus 4 because it has the cheapest price in the world. I wanted to also point out that in many other countries, LG has priced the Nexus 4 similar to the market price for a high-end smartphone – and this is what it looks to be doing here in Malaysia as well. As a comparison, here is a table comparing the specs and prices between the other flagship smartphones in Malaysia as well as in Europe:
Comparison of smartphone prices in Europe
Comparison of smartphone prices in Malaysia
As the table above indicates, at the rumoured price of RM1799 the Nexus 4 is still cheaper than the other popular flagships in Malaysia today. Specs-wise the Nexus 4 is no slouch either. If we dropped the Google moniker, the Nexus 4 suddenly looks to be quite competitively priced.
Also, as another reader mentioned, we can also find “street” pricing for smartphones, which usually offer around 10% less than retail prices – that’s where many of us get our smartphones. For instance, one could get a Galaxy Note II for around RM2000. Hence, again by conjecture, we can expect the street price to be lower than the RRP of all phones – which should make the Nexus 4 price in Malaysia more appealing.
On The Nexus 4′s Glass Back
There was one reason why I brought up the Nexus 4′s fragile glass back, and that was to be unbiased in my view of the Nexus 4. I believed that our readers are aware of the glass cracking issues the Nexus 4 has, and so I mentioned it. Just like our news and reviews, if there is anything that needs to be said, it will be said.
On the other hand, I put my hands up with regards to the warranty. While I do mean that LG’s service centre will, in all probability, repair cracked Nexus 4s, I also meant to imply that some service centres do not even accept devices bought from overseas for repairs. I do not, however, know if the cracked glass back is covered in the warranty, which was another implication from my original text.
Seeing Things From a Different Perspective
The idea behind the write up yesterday was to see the leaked pricing from a different point of view. While at first sight it does appear to be grossly overpriced, but on the other hand it is also perfectly feasible for LG to price the Nexus 4 at RM1799, in line with its worldwide retail pricing. Unfortunately, some parts of the article had implications that I had not intended, and for that I must apologise to all readers.
We will, naturally, uncover the confirmed retail pricing on the Nexus 4 as soon as we hear it. And, despite my opinion on the matter, it does look like LG Malaysia have some thinking to do regarding the pricing of the Nexus 4.
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May I ask how much LG pay you for writing this ?
This is the second time in 3 days lowyat right good things about the RM 1799, while in reality we all know LG sucks.
LG can suck my balls. Still overpirced from shit company
Why are you two being LG haters? There is nothing the Nexus 4 or LG, you just hate people who like LG.
And even if you don’t like it, you don’t need to go around bitching about it, it doesn’t bring you any harm to you, and it’s not even your money. Don’t be haters.
“LG cannot survive on the low margins (if any – I’m merely speculating here) that each Nexus 4 sold at the Play Store would provide”
Above statement is a load of rubbish. LG would not have taken the contract if it does not make business sense.
CY and LGSUCK are kids
I think LG has finally done something impressive with a smartphone than their previous few ones. Seems that they might have got into their groove. Ill be definitely be getting this when it comes out here.
People who are skeptical are just people who are not open-minded about new phones or are even hardcore fanboys
Trolls are everywhere just ignore those ignorant ppl who bash just for no reason.
The main problem Nexus 4 faced problem selling is because Google put the price too low in USA where the rest of the country are getting the usual price.
Google can sell at what price they think they like, is like why Malaysia petrol is cheaper than overseas petrol.
If LG sells the phone without margin, then why bother sell it. No margin they can give warranty and they wont even want to market the thing since they earn nothing.
although iphone 5 is mfg at usd199, that doesnt mean the rest of the smartphone can be made at this price.
the sheer volume, and the way apple, foxconn and samsung streamline the whole process flow made it happened.
who can beat apple? before iphone, all handphone box are so big! now they are barely large than the phone itself. genius!
Actually Google subsided the N4 to cost price or almost cost price for places which has Google play because they can make the money back through sale of apps, movies, ebook.. etc from Google play. Google is not stupid.
Since MY doesn’t have google play, Google doesn’t have to subside as its not gonna make money. Does that make sense?
Still as a consumer, i think the phone looks overpriced as i was hoping the price would be around 1400. The drop test is also not helping. If only the warranty is international, then can buy from elsewhere but its not.
Deep inside I wanna get a nexus phone and experience the JB 4.2.
Anyone using/used LG phones before? hows the service in MY?
Google sells at low or (possibly) no margin as alluded by the reference in this article using the comments on the Nexus 7 as reference. We do not know this for a fact.
Google might’ve fluffed things up with low estimates. Afterall, Google devices don’t really sell like hot cakes globally when compared to mainstream manufacturer phones, Galaxy Nexus reportedly sold 500k units when SGS2 was selling something like 14+Million units.
No one is expecting LG to sell at no margin. But given the large disparity, people are justified to feel taken for a ride by LG, which is why they’re complaining. Even on Phones LG sells to Google, do you think they make NO profit? Like you said, no profit why do that business, hrmm?
Spoken like a true keyboard warrior!! Betcha feel proud!
US always have cheaper price compare to the rest of the world…the price on playstore cannot be benchmark for pricing
In the same vein, what does their dissatisfaction with them voicing their opinion? Point a finger and three more point back at you
I do agree LG sucks. And why not accepting the comment? Juz like some say BN sucks.. Some say BN good.. Why good? We shud knw why.. Anyway still the thing.. I hate LG.. No quality and standard.
i believe you already made your intention clear in the first article. Making a second one to explain the first seems a little unnecessary imo.
It’s nice to see that your team is taking an effort to improve based on visitor comments. I won’t go as far as saying that this is an excellent article, but I do see that you’re going in the right direction, so keep up the good work!
A quick check on the forum will show you that among the plastic-y models in the market, the LG ones are actually the least likely to cause problems.
Nexus # is a brand name that is synonymous with Google, and Google is selling the phone at cost or minimal cost. If LG wants to sell their Nexus 4 here, then they should abide by the sale terms unless it is stipulated otherwise that they are authorized to sell at a higher price from what Google is actually selling.
Perhaps LG Malaysia should clarify this matter ? or change the Nexus to an Optimus then.
It could also be LG phones have the least user among the many brands. Just saying…
I agree with some people stating that LG ‘sucks’. But for me, LG only screwed up big time with their poor firmware updates( read: Optimus 2X) it’s a software thingy, but on hardware department, they really push themselves even up to par with other giant manufacturers.
So, manufacturing Nexus phone really is a good step for LG, as you’ll get timely updates and impressive hardware.
This article is like our beloved transport minister try to defend AES or like Ibrahim Ali try to ‘help’ BN, but at the end MCA suffers
this is ridiculous.
Interesting to see LG haters and those who felt the author comment isn’t good for them spend time reading and make comment about it. If they are so superior, why not spend your time somewhere else.
Gene, maybe you should write a counter article for this
market will tell whether is good deal or not.
I just don’t like haters, don’t get me wrong.
anyone know how much would cost for buy nexus 4 via play store?
this is like complaining to no end that y malaysia cars are cost much more expensive than US/overseas… stop bashing like a kid.
i would say “no” to N4. Even some said it is still a good deal, maybe he is rich guy? we are poor guy, can’t afford such high price smartphone…
LG is killing themself.
Nexus 4 for what I know is not supporting 4G LTE. Why should we fork of that price when we could get a new Samsung S3 which is clearly future proof, LTE ready?
People consider Nexus 4 because of it good spec with low price. If the rumor price is true, I rather spend my money on other devices like Samsung or Apple.
Not a good deal.
im not read his/her review. im reading only LG fan boy’s (you) comments.
Malaysian official S3 and Note2 dont have 4G LTE. SME didnt bring any Galaxy series with 4G LTE at this moment.
i agree, by the way, nexus 4 or (LG) until now still not official release it and price in Malaysia. It is very late timing. after it release and fulfill market. Sorry, SGS 4 is coming soon. i rather to wait SGS 4 or spend a bit money to get Note 2. AND Nexus 4 cannot extent memory card. This is very ass hole.
Hi
Sorry but which telco now sell LTE enabled sets? Unless you are refering buying from spore (without contract)
I do agree with the price they are selling is no worth consideration as you can get better deals from Samsung.
I wonder why these ppl trolling here.
Can’t afford? Not satisfy the price?
Just turn around, no ones beg you to buy too..
morons
Obviously pay more for Samsung better thn nexus.. If buy nexus.. Buying ap cheaper y wanna pay more
Just because someone give a neutral comment about what’s happening, they are being labeled fan boy… typical of shallow thinkers.
Agree with LT… grow up and think sensibly!
Looked in the mirror lately?
Nexus 4 is practically a cousin of the LG Optimus G, which it uses a lot of its internal parts from. Why the Nexus 4 was reported to have limited LTE capabilities some weeks back is due to the fact that the Radio setup in the N4 was able to operate on a selected bandwidth used by a Canadian Operator for LTE.
Another known major change was the sub par 13MP camera sensor in the Optimus G.
everything that comes to bolehland is more expensive la…
cars are like that.. N4 will also be like that..
i dun see ppl screaming when they buy vios at 90k when it’s only … (u guys know better) outside of this land..
Has journalism gone to such low level nowadays? The above article is full of the authors own assumption yet the original article can clearly state that ‘even at such price, the nexus 4 IS STILL a good deal’? The author again tries to emphasize on his statement when clearly it has angered most of his readers. Shouldn’t the original article be titled ‘even at rm1799, the nexus 4 MIGHT still be a good deal’? Doesn’t that makes it all good if its all based on his OPINION?
Ironically a hater doesn’t like another hater because he hate hater.
sounds like someone was paid to do that. Contrary to Apple fan boy, welcome the LG Fan Boy.
Initially I wanted to buy this phone, thanks to Lowyat for creating so much negative auro for the phone.
Now I prefer to get a Huawei, at least not so much Hater in Malaysia.
The only mistake that LG made is it set the price too low for the US market. If it had priced Nexus 4 for that particular market just like any other high-end phones, nobody would have complained.
I just spoke with LG Customer Services Representative over telephone regarding Nexus 4 launch in Malaysia. She indicates that our Nexus 4 will be launched in mid of January 2013. So, be patient guys.
Hi there Pang. Kinda feel sorry that people are bashing you around since its not even your fault that the price of N4 is at 1799. What the readers feel when reading your article may or may not be valid. But by the sound of your writing it seems as if LG was smacking your balls around to make sure that the N4 is perceived in a positive light.
While i do feel that LG has a right to sell N4 at whatever horrendous price they can think of, i do believe that they are actually (and probably intentionally) sabotaging themselves.
N4 is a great smartphone and probably on par with an iPhone and the only difference they both have is in the apps available to the consumer. Citing lack of buying the gadget via google play store is a weakass excuse. Apple has opened its itunes to most countries. So what is excuse for Google to deprived its customer base since they are already a website that sells e-services?
LG could have persuaded Google to open its store and allow all customers to have access to the same price. And LG should have made announcement of the deal that they had with google if they want people to know that the N4 is sold at cost price.
As of now, most future customer are running away from LG because now customers will probably say that LG is not Life’s Good but probably Life’s Greedy.
I really wanted to give android a chance but given the way LG handled (or lack of handling) this matter i would probably not touch it with a ten foot pole.
Besides, Meizu MX2 looked good and felt unique so as OPPO, Huawei and Xiaomi and not as highly priced as LG’s N4.
Choice is good and clearly the community have decided that LG N4 is not a good choice but hey, what do i know off. I’m not a sophiscated person and my needs are little.
Oh yeah Pang, let me finish off by saying that you do not need to apologize. I know what you mean and it should have ended there and then with the article. Remember, this is the internet and we all are jerks (most of the time). ;p
Agreed!
If ones says “I wish it was priced lower” I totally get it…
But INSISTING “they SHOULD price it lower” and citing “they selling lower in US and in play store so why not the same for us” *facepalm*.. Is very childish in a not so smart way…
If you can’t afford… Get something you CAN afford… work overtime or nightjob to afford your expensive toys… NoMoneyNoTalk
you sure talk alot for someone with that chosen nick
Stupid LG
Wow wow… chill the eff out, people. Why all the angry and hate comments? If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Simple? Yes.
And no, I have not been paid by either LG or LYN for this. Though I must say I wish they do pay me.
Nexus name + above hardware spec, I would love to try. We cannot deny the temptation, even its from LG.
I would love to review it professionally, LG you can contact me from my siggy. Hehehe..
I’m not LG hater, I’m LG WashingMachine user.
Apple iPhone 5 sold in Apple US online Store
= usd649 = rm1989.50
Sold in Malaysia at rm2199
Rm2199 – rm1989.5 = Rm209.50
rumoured price vs us play store (1799 – 1069.7)
= rm729.30
Does Apple suddenly enjoyed low tax or something ?
The Nexus 4 price is low because Google subsidizes it and plans to make money from the Play Store (like what it did with Nexus 7). Whereas, the RRP of Nexus 4 is actually 499USD.
Whooaaaaaaa a lotta drama queens in this comment section.. :-O
Calm down it’s just a phone. Price too high don’t buy it, hello………………..? -_-
hahah another joke …..
Nexus 199 at cost prices ?
Comparing phone base on higher prices and spec but forget about after sale service ?
very smart …. no wonder most of them stay in forum then here ..
thats well said. LG don’t have ethics and morality for doing business. Its a mistake by google by choosing this company for nexus. They think by using glass material like iphone, they will reach the quality. But its false. Now its clear by such type of international defame LG may not get contract in future from google or any other company. Shit on you LG. Even being an Asean company you are pricing it high for aseans. Shame on you
make it lower with br1m and rebate or wait until after election
nexus sucks